Doppleganger @ LVL6 - with a Mesmer - Guild Wars Forums

Axle_Fieshe · Oct 06, 2005, 06:23 AM // 06:23

How do I beat Doppleganger @ LVL6 with a Mesmer? (don't jsut say level up)

A NERD1989 · Oct 06, 2005, 06:44 AM // 06:44

take in no spells? i dunno use the search tool with my warrior i took in 3 spells and i won in 17 seconds

Rico Carridan · Oct 06, 2005, 06:46 AM // 06:46

Backfire.

Rico

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Oct 06, 2005, 06:56 AM // 06:56

Backfire, Empathy, Chaos Storm.

Dont get caught by the Chaos Storm. Cast all 3 on him and run out of the storm he casts. Let him attack and cast and he'll kill himself.

Axle_Fieshe · Oct 06, 2005, 07:13 AM // 07:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent

Backfire, Empathy, Chaos Storm.

Dont get caught by the Chaos Storm. Cast all 3 on him and run out of the storm he casts. Let him attack and cast and he'll kill himself.

doesn/t work. he uses backfires straight away, and with that and his arrows i'm dead b4 my spells are done.

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Oct 06, 2005, 07:15 AM // 07:15

What armor level are you at? Do you have a Vigor Rune?

Also use a staff with defensive upgrades. I can give you one that has +9 armor. There's things you can do besides level up that will give you a good ammount of protection. If your really having this much problems, then maybe you just shouldnt be trying to do it.

Put all your points into one field, Domination.

Use Empathy, and dont attack.
If he casts backfire on you, wait out the duration before you cast a spell.

Axle_Fieshe · Oct 06, 2005, 07:16 AM // 07:16

i got forge armor, no vigor, ain't got a staff

still on a Starter Holy Rod :P

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Oct 06, 2005, 07:18 AM // 07:18

Then you really should give this up.

People who try to ascend at low levels should be atleast well equipped for the task.

Axle_Fieshe · Oct 06, 2005, 07:21 AM // 07:21

i remember threads showing how ppl beat doppleganger at lvl 3 with a mesmer....can anyone help me find these?

coolsti · Oct 06, 2005, 07:51 AM // 07:51

To avoid the backfire put on you at the start, take hexbreaker with you, and apply it before you step on the 3rd stone. Then you have hexbreaker from the beginning. If the doppelganger casts backfire on you, this backfire is then wasted. So when you go in, you cast backfire as fast as you can, and keep an eye on your own hexbreaker. Once it disappears, cast hexbreaker on yourself again. If your timing is right, this should protect you from the doppelgangers attempts to backfire you.

Axle_Fieshe · Oct 06, 2005, 07:52 AM // 07:52

yea, but the arrows still kill me, even when i try to avoid them.....

if a lvl 3 can do this i should be able to....

Yichi · Oct 06, 2005, 08:06 AM // 08:06

empathy and diversion. cast diversion when u go in, then empathy, use q and e to strafe back and forth to dodge his arrows. recast spells as needed

coolsti · Oct 06, 2005, 09:36 AM // 09:36

It will work, it just takes proper timing. I went in with my level 20 Mesmer and had to do it about 10 times before I got the hexbreaker - backfire - phantasm - hexbreaker combo to finally work. I found that the hexbreaker saved me all the time from the first hex attack, but sometimes I did not get the backfire off in time, or sometimes the doppelganger didn't try using any spells when I had backfire on it. But finally for my last and successful attempt it worked. You need to keep trying. Failing one time doesn't mean the strategy won't work.

Why would you want to ascend at such a low level? You won't level up near 20 with the XP from the Doppelganger reward, and then you will be very low level for the following missions. I don't know about others, but I won't accept a party member in a group for a mission around Droknars that is less than level 20.

Pillz_veritas · Oct 06, 2005, 10:42 AM // 10:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolsti

Why would you want to ascend at such a low level? You won't level up near 20 with the XP from the Doppelganger reward, and then you will be very low level for the following missions. I don't know about others, but I won't accept a party member in a group for a mission around Droknars that is less than level 20.

if my math is still right then it is.....
Unless they fixed the scrolls affecting the xp, then nvm.

dopple = 50,000 XP
XP times 3 (scrolls)= 150,000 XP
Lvl 20 = 140,000 XP

dr_james2k · Oct 06, 2005, 12:17 PM // 12:17

equip loads of mantras. Cast backfire on him as quick as possible, then maybe empathy and watch as it uses the useless mantras and brings its health down.

axe · Oct 06, 2005, 12:32 PM // 12:32

I used Illusion of weakness as well, I cast it before the battle started (it gave me something like 170 extra HP) then I hit the dopple with some skills, and he used Illusion of weakness when he was already hurt and the life lost from the cost of the skill KILLED HIM. I beat him in less than 10 seconds. DEFINATELY take illusion of weakness.

striderkaaru · Oct 06, 2005, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillz_veritas

if my math is still right then it is.....
Unless they fixed the scrolls affecting the xp, then nvm.

dopple = 50,000 XP
XP times 3 (scrolls)= 150,000 XP
Lvl 20 = 140,000 XP

i believe that the 50k xp is mission xp, so it is unaffected by scrolls. you only get 100 by killing the dopple, which is the only thing affected by the scrolls. i've never tried it, however. so, someone else should confirm.

but yeah, why exactly are you trying to ascend at level 6? you would be useless in fow, uw, and the southern shiverpeaks.

if it's solely for the purpose of being able to say "i was able to ascend at such a low level!," then i would also suggest giving up. because the fact that you need to ask for people's advice takes away from the accomplishment.

don't get me wrong here. i'm not trying to discourage you if you really want to do it. but it should be an accomplishment that you handle all by yourself. asking people how to do it is just making them do the hard work for you. it would then be pointless.

BBoy_Manchild · Oct 06, 2005, 01:34 PM // 13:34

no, noone take it wrong here, me and alot of people agree with you
nothing wrong with playing through the game normally, if you do that you will be lvl 20 even before you get to denravi

mm00re · Oct 06, 2005, 02:28 PM // 14:28

No the xp scrolls wont help you gain 150k xp, best you could get from the xp is around 168 points, the 50k comes from the quest so you gain nothing from that.

already tried.

Ole Man Bourbon · Oct 06, 2005, 07:33 PM // 19:33

Take henchies outside of Drok's and grind xp. Should come quickly at your level.

Oct 06, 2005, 06:23 AM // 06:23	#1
Axle_Fieshe Banned Join Date: May 2005 Profession: Mo/W	Doppleganger @ LVL6 - with a Mesmer How do I beat Doppleganger @ LVL6 with a Mesmer? (don't jsut say level up)

Oct 06, 2005, 07:15 AM // 07:15	#6
Arcanis the Omnipotent Jungle Guide Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Nova Alliance Profession: Me/	What armor level are you at? Do you have a Vigor Rune? Also use a staff with defensive upgrades. I can give you one that has +9 armor. There's things you can do besides level up that will give you a good ammount of protection. If your really having this much problems, then maybe you just shouldnt be trying to do it. Put all your points into one field, Domination. Use Empathy, and dont attack. If he casts backfire on you, wait out the duration before you cast a spell. Last edited by Arcanis the Omnipotent; Oct 06, 2005 at 07:17 AM // 07:17..

Oct 06, 2005, 06:44 AM // 06:44	#2
A NERD1989 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Elite Black Ops Profession: W/Mo	take in no spells? i dunno use the search tool with my warrior i took in 3 spells and i won in 17 seconds

Oct 06, 2005, 06:46 AM // 06:46	#3
Rico Carridan Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Eternal Comrades Profession: E/Mo	Backfire. Rico

Oct 06, 2005, 06:56 AM // 06:56	#4
Arcanis the Omnipotent Jungle Guide Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Nova Alliance Profession: Me/	Backfire, Empathy, Chaos Storm. Dont get caught by the Chaos Storm. Cast all 3 on him and run out of the storm he casts. Let him attack and cast and he'll kill himself.

Oct 06, 2005, 07:16 AM // 07:16	#7
Axle_Fieshe Banned Join Date: May 2005 Profession: Mo/W	i got forge armor, no vigor, ain't got a staff still on a Starter Holy Rod :P

Oct 06, 2005, 07:18 AM // 07:18	#8
Arcanis the Omnipotent Jungle Guide Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Nova Alliance Profession: Me/	Then you really should give this up. People who try to ascend at low levels should be atleast well equipped for the task.

Oct 06, 2005, 07:21 AM // 07:21	#9
Axle_Fieshe Banned Join Date: May 2005 Profession: Mo/W	i remember threads showing how ppl beat doppleganger at lvl 3 with a mesmer....can anyone help me find these?

Oct 06, 2005, 07:51 AM // 07:51	#10
coolsti Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denmark	To avoid the backfire put on you at the start, take hexbreaker with you, and apply it before you step on the 3rd stone. Then you have hexbreaker from the beginning. If the doppelganger casts backfire on you, this backfire is then wasted. So when you go in, you cast backfire as fast as you can, and keep an eye on your own hexbreaker. Once it disappears, cast hexbreaker on yourself again. If your timing is right, this should protect you from the doppelgangers attempts to backfire you.

Oct 06, 2005, 07:52 AM // 07:52	#11
Axle_Fieshe Banned Join Date: May 2005 Profession: Mo/W	yea, but the arrows still kill me, even when i try to avoid them..... if a lvl 3 can do this i should be able to....

Oct 06, 2005, 08:06 AM // 08:06	#12
Yichi Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match... Guild: Dark Alley [dR]	empathy and diversion. cast diversion when u go in, then empathy, use q and e to strafe back and forth to dodge his arrows. recast spells as needed

Oct 06, 2005, 09:36 AM // 09:36	#13
coolsti Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denmark	It will work, it just takes proper timing. I went in with my level 20 Mesmer and had to do it about 10 times before I got the hexbreaker - backfire - phantasm - hexbreaker combo to finally work. I found that the hexbreaker saved me all the time from the first hex attack, but sometimes I did not get the backfire off in time, or sometimes the doppelganger didn't try using any spells when I had backfire on it. But finally for my last and successful attempt it worked. You need to keep trying. Failing one time doesn't mean the strategy won't work. Why would you want to ascend at such a low level? You won't level up near 20 with the XP from the Doppelganger reward, and then you will be very low level for the following missions. I don't know about others, but I won't accept a party member in a group for a mission around Droknars that is less than level 20.

Oct 06, 2005, 12:17 PM // 12:17	#15
dr_james2k Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: The Guild of Kings Profession: Me/E	equip loads of mantras. Cast backfire on him as quick as possible, then maybe empathy and watch as it uses the useless mantras and brings its health down.

Oct 06, 2005, 12:32 PM // 12:32	#16
axe Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Pwn Appetit [NJoy] Profession: W/	I used Illusion of weakness as well, I cast it before the battle started (it gave me something like 170 extra HP) then I hit the dopple with some skills, and he used Illusion of weakness when he was already hurt and the life lost from the cost of the skill KILLED HIM. I beat him in less than 10 seconds. DEFINATELY take illusion of weakness.

Oct 06, 2005, 01:34 PM // 13:34	#18
BBoy_Manchild Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: dayton ohio Profession: N/Mo	no, noone take it wrong here, me and alot of people agree with you nothing wrong with playing through the game normally, if you do that you will be lvl 20 even before you get to denravi

Oct 06, 2005, 02:28 PM // 14:28	#19
mm00re Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: In a van down by the river :) Guild: After Dark Club [REAL] Profession: W/Mo	No the xp scrolls wont help you gain 150k xp, best you could get from the xp is around 168 points, the 50k comes from the quest so you gain nothing from that. already tried.

Oct 06, 2005, 07:33 PM // 19:33	#20
Ole Man Bourbon Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Atlanta Guild: GONG Profession: W/E	Take henchies outside of Drok's and grind xp. Should come quickly at your level.